New Pistol-Caliber Carbine

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Welcome to 2012!

In 2011, the subject of pistol-caliber carbines came up here at YGN, as well as on other gunblogs.

While people have different preferences, most seem to agree that the selection of factory-new offerings in this category of gun is pretty sparse.

A prospective buyer has few options to choose from if they want a new gun:

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Kel-Tec Sub2000 in 9mm or .40S&W (The Kel-Tec has the advantage of using pistol magazines from one of 4 manufacturers)

Hi-Point Carbine in 9mm, .40S&W or .45ACP.  (Rough fit & finish, but reliable enough according to people who have tested it)

HK USC in .45ACP (Expensive, well-made, allegedly not as accurate as a gun that expensive should be)

Beretta CX4 Storm in 9mm, .40S&W and .45ACP (Great appearance, accuracy unproven, some ergonomic issues with access to controls)

A pistol-caliber AR-15 or replacement upper.  There are 2 camps of pistol-caliber AR-15s: ones that use a full-size magazine to fill the entire 5.56mm-size magwell (as Olympic Arms does) or the ones that use Sten/Uzi magazines and a modified lower (the Rock River Arms and the company that calls itself Bushmaster approach) or a magwell adapter (Colt’s approach) to make them fit.

Or one of the Cobray/Leinad CM11 (MAC-10/11 knockoff) kit guns that I have heard bad things about.

Well, now there is a new option for these customers to consider: The Thureon Defense Carbine.

Thureon Defense Carbine

Thureon Defense Carbine

A closed-bolt blowback design, the Thureon Defense Carbine uses AR-15 trigger components, which might mean that the trigger group can be changed like it can on the AR-15.  It uses Colt 9mm AR-15 magazines.

Gun Tests magazine says they are testing one.  Time will tell.

It isn’t as ugly as the Leinad/Cobray CM11.

Update 12/3/12 from the mailbox:

From: Richard Meyer (spike3738@yahoo.com)

 Hi, Sorry I could not figure out how to reply directly on the comment page on your recent article concerning pistol caliber carbines (some Ar-15 Style). So… Please publish my post as it was well researched and based on personal experience. Many Thanks!

 “I did a HELL of a lot of research before buying my Thureon Defense .45 carbine. I really wanted a .40 but after calling 15+ distributors nationwide, nobody had any. I SCORED a .45 withmy desired option in Texas and that was cool as I have lots of .45. I already own 3 AR-15 rifles…. one in 5.56, one in 6.8 and an AR-57 ….which fires a proprietary round made by FN). OBTW, I have one ugly Highpoint .40 carbine which is ONE HELL OF A LOT OF FUN TO SHOOT, not to mention with the Sig strobe fwd grip I have on it I have no doubts I’d blow the crap (brains) out of anyone that decided to enter my place unwelcomed at the wrong time. Ok, to make a long story short, IMHO, Thureon Defense makes the highest quality pistol caliber carbines available. Plus, THEY CARE! If you contact them, one of the owners answer the phone and/or they reply same day to any inquiry. I picked up my .45 Saturday, put about 200 rounds through it and after adjusting the impact point of the Aimpoint Optic, OMG, I want to kill something! My ONLY complaint is that the trigger is WAYYYYY stiff! I have Timneys in my AR’s and I am used to approx a 4 pound pull. This trigger pull lasted FOREVER and reuired a lot of effort after 200+ rounds. My finger actually got sore (call me a pussy).

Richard, we won’t call you a pussy.  People who whine that the factory Glock trigger is too heavy are pussies.

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4 Responses to “New Pistol-Caliber Carbine”

  1. CalmGun says:

    The Cobray/Leinad is horrendous IMO.

    • Gunnutmegger says:

      Yeah, that is my impression. The Mac-10/11 just looks wrong as a carbine, as does the Uzi.

      Leinad buys the kits and assembles them. They make some odd products, like the pepperbox revolver and double-barreled .410 pistol.

  2. Candice says:

    Here’s the thing:

    I can only see one use for these- home defense. Cheap Russian ammo for rifles is about the same price as pistol ammo so you don’t really save much there, and if you’re reloading wouldn’t you just reload rifle ammo?

    For cheap non-reloading practice why not just go for a .22 AR conversion?

    • Gunnutmegger says:

      I don’t trust cheap Russian ammo. The steel cases beat up extractors, and the bullets are generally not good for defensive use.

      And .22 conversions for .223 guns aren’t always good. The rifling is wrong for .22LR ammo.

      Pistol-caliber carbines are quieter than a pistol of the same caliber, and much quieter than any non-suppressed .223 gun. Less muzzle flash, etc.